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Hilkulla oli jo, että tuntematon olisi tyystin hävinnyt debatin ennen sen alkua. Göbbels-vertaus on jo aika lähellä Hitler-kortin pelaamista, mitä yleisesti pidetään epäonnistuneen argumentaation tunnuksena. Toisaalta myös maailmanlaajuisiin salaliittoihin vetoajat ovat aika heikoilla järkevässä keskustelussa.

Kiitoksia Pasille mielenkiintoisesta blogista ja hyvästä reportaasista. Mukava saada normaalin uutisoinnin lisäksi toisenlaista näkökulmaa Köpiksen tapahtumiin.

Terveiset meille opetettiin jo

Ihmisen kyky painaa päänsä pensaaseen asioista, joita se ei halua nähdä ei koskaan jätä minua hämmästyttämästä.

Ennen silmälasien keksimistä ei ollut silmäongelmia-muuten kuin sen 'hullun päässä', joka tihrusti eikä nähnyt.

Ennen Hammashoidon kehittymistä ei ollut purentavikoja 'vääränlaisista hammasharjoista puhumattakkan. ( Ennen kyl suolaa syödä ja hampaat kiilsi- tippuivat sitten kaikki ennen 40 ikävuotta.)

Puhumattakaan itsemurhat, perheen sisäine väkivalta jne.. Ei ole ollut ongelma ennenkuin, perustettiin turvakodit. Joku ' epäisänmaallinen hörhö' varmaan tutki asiaa ja varmaan 'keksi' koko perheväkivallan Suomessa rahastaakseen ne sosiaalipalvelun huippupalkat ja 'miljoonat' itselleen

Kyllä nii paljon pahaa on tutkimus, tiede ja niistä johdetut elämää helpottavat laitteet meille tuoneet..

Elämä ei ole vain ruusuilla tanssimista, ja jos on eiko olis hyvä tietää niiden alla piilevistä piikeistä ja varustautua suojahanskoin, ettei okaat haavoita?

Al Gore ei ole tiedemies mutta samall kertaa Nobelin Saavat Ilmastopaneelin jäsenet olivat. Ja jos tiedemoehet,jotka ovat luonnostaan skeptikoja kaikesta = pyrkivät aina todistamaan muiden/vanhat hypoteesit uusiksi, ovat pitkään asiaa tutkittuaan tulleet tähän hälyttävään lopputulokseen mailman tilasta, niin eikö kannattaisi alkaa toimimaan?

Meille opetettiin jo KAI et,
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Maailman tila on todella huolestuttava, kun uskovaiset pelkän sokean uskon johdattamina yrittävät pelastaa maailmaa. Tästä ilmastokokouksesta ja tänne kerääntyneestä jengistä tulee mieleen lasten ristiretki. Yhtä järkevältä touhulta vaikuttaa. Seurauksetkin ovat samankaltaiset, ongelma vain on, että mukaan yritetään värvätä kaikki, eikä vain halukkaita hihhuleita.

Saavutuksena kirjoitetaan sitten tälläisiä asioita. "Muun muassa hakkuut soijapeltojen raivaamiseksi ovat loppuneet tyystin.", on tietysti hyvä asia etteivät kehitysmaat saa kehittyä ja esimerkiksi viljellä soijaa. Vai onko?

Oikeastaan tuossa on juuri se piirre, joka varmaan jaksaa pitää tätä kuplaa yllä. Kehitysmaiden tulee pysyäkin tämän ilmastopropagandan mukaan kehitysmaina, joita sitten ryöstetään jatkossakin. Onko se sitten hyvä asia ja kenelle jää epäselväksi?

No voi jeesus! Sitten niillä kehitysmailla vasta meneekin hyvin, kun lisätään hiukka kuivuutta ja nälänhätää, upotetaan muutama alava rannikkoalue ja tyhjennetään meret elävistä olennoista happamoitumisella ja lämpenemisellä!!!! Ja ONHAN se varmaan just niin, että just auto,kotiteatteri ja joku tehdas naapuritontilla ne ihmisen onnelliseksi tekevät - ja me kun oltas tätä onnea niiltä kehitysmaan ihmisiltä riistämässä. ounou :(

Skeptinen saa olla ja ehkä pitääkin, mutta tuollaista tyhmyyttä ei pitäisi nykymaailmassa enää sakottamatta sallia!!! Tuntematon ja maailman tila, tehkää palvelus ja menkää katsomaan Youtubesta oheinen video, niin päästään tästä jauhannasta. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ

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Jonkun aikaa olen seurannut käytyä keskustelua sivusta, ja täytyy sanoa, että mielenkiintoisia ajatuksia ilmastonmuutokseen skeptisesti suhtautuvilla kyllä on.

Muutama asia on jäänyt askarruttamaan. Kysyn tässä niistä:

1) Onko siis niin, että niiden ihmisten joukossa, joita ilmastonmuutos ylipäänsä kiinnostaa, on vain ja ainoastaan joko ilmastoskeptikoita tai ilmastouskovaisia? Minkäänlaiset välimuodot eivät siis ole mahdollisia?

2) Toinen asia, mikä on askarruttanut, on sellainen, että mitä tutkija, joka ymmärtämättömyyttään on lähtenyt mukaan salaliittoon (esim. IPCC), voi tehdä saadakseen takaisin tieteellisen uskottavuutensa? Vai onko ilmastouskovaisen leima polttomerkin kaltainen, eli että sellaisen tyypin tutkimustulokset voi ohittaa olankohautuksella koko hänen loppuelämänsä ajan?

3) Kolmantena kysyisin, voiko ylipäänsä olla olemassa, edes teoriassa, sellaista tieteellistä näyttöä, mikä todistaisi, että ihmisen aiheuttama maapallon lämpeneminen voisi olla totta? Vai onko maailmankaikkeus yksinkertaisesti rakennettu niin, että tuonkaltainen tilanne ei kertakaikkiaan ole mahdollinen?

Olisin kiitollinen vastauksista, koska oma ymmärryskykyni ei näiden asioiden suhteen riitä. En edes tiedä, kumpaan leiriin kuulun, skeptikoihin vai ilmastouskovaisiin. Ja ulkopuolelle jääminen tuntuu tuskalliselta, jos siis kaltaistani leireihin kuulumatonta voi edes olla olemassa.

Vastauksia kadunmiehelle:
1) Tällä hetkellä välimuodot ovat harvinaisia, mutta mielestäni tervetulleita. Kuitenkin peruskysymys ratkaisee leirin: uskooko siihen, että ihminen pystyy muuttamaan koko maapallon ilmastoa vai eikö usko. Helppo valita, kun on tietoa.
2) Kyllä tutkija voi muuttaa mielipidettään uusien faktojen valossa, jos on oikea tutkija.
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Speechlessille kysymys, miten soijan viljely lisää nälän hätää, kuivuutta tai tyhjentää meriä?

Se jäi epäselväksi.

Kyllä se niin taitaa olla, että me rikkaat maat käytämme vain valtaamme kehitysmaihin. Yleensä kehityksestä nousee myös koulutus ja sivistystaso. Emmehän me sitä halua kehitysmailta kieltää, emmehän?

Tietämättömälle: Oletko koskaan kuullut sademetsien hiilinielun vähenemisen ja ilmaston lämpenemisen välisestä yhteydestä? Jos et, voisit aloittaa vaikka ihan perusteista. Sademetsien (tai oikeammin kaikkien metsien) pinta-alan säilyttäminen ja lisääminen ovat ilmastonmuutoksen vastaisen taistelun ensiapu-toimia. Ja siis kuten olemee oppineet, nostaa ilmaston lämpeneminen merien pintaa, lisää kuivuutta esim monissa osin Afrikkaa ja aiheuttaa siten nälänhätää JA merien keskilämpötilan nousu puolestaan tuhoaa koralliriuttoja ja pienentää siten ratkaisevasti merien lajiston monimuotoisuutta ja pienentää kalasaaliita. Lisäksi tuhoaa merien happamoituminen kalakuolemia. Selvensikö yhtään?

Toki saa ja tulee viljellä kaikenlaista ja jos me täällä länsimaissa vaan suostumme maksamaan kaikesta asianmukaisen hinnan, ei niitä volyymeita (esim. peltopinta-alaa) tarvitse kasvattaa niin älyttömästi. Myös voisivat kaikki pihvinpurijat siiirtyä kasvisruokaan, niin tarvitaan sitä rehusoijaa paljon vähemmän ja kaikille riittää paremmin ruokaa tällä ylikansoitetullla planeetalla. Että silleen.

Kiitokset nimimerkille 'tuntematon' hyvistä vastauksista. Oli lohdullista kuulla, että on olemassa elämää myös leirien ulkopuolella.

Eli, jos ymmärsin oikein, on mahdollista sijoittua välimuodoksi suhteessa "ilmastouskovaisiin" ja "ilmastoskeptikoihin".

Jos ei usko, että ihminen on aiheuttanut maapallon lämpenemisen, mutta ei myöskään usko, että ihminen ei ole aiheuttanut maapallon lämpenemistä, vaan pitää sen sijaan mielensä avoimena eri vaihtoehdoille, on valmis ottamaan jatkuvasti selvää asioista ilman ennakkokäsityksiä ja tarvittaessa on valmis korjaamaan käsityksiään, voi tulla nimetyksi keskitien kulkijaksi ihmisen aiheuttaman maapallon lämpenemisen suhteen.

Toteutukoot nimimerkki 'tuntemattoman' toive, ja käytäkööt keskustelua vuonna 2010 enemmän tällaisista lähtökohdista. Nykyisellään käynnissä oleva typerä pikkupoikien sanasota ei palvele sitä ainoaa rehellistä pyrkimystä, mikä meillä voi olla, totuuden selvittämistä.

Ilokseni olen havainnut, että muun muassa kunnianarvoisa tiede-ihminen Boris Winterhalter, jonka suhtautuminen ihmisen aiheuttamaan maapallon lämpenemiseen on epäileväinen, ei ole hakannut omia käsityksiään kiveen, vaan on rehellisen tiedemiehen tavoin valmis korjaamaan näkemyksiään, mikäli vastapuolella on esittää näkemystensä tueksi riittävä tieteellinen näyttö.

Ottakaamme siis kaikki oppia Boris Winterhalterista, luopukaamme änkyröinnistä puolin ja toisin, luopukaamme eri mieltä olevien leimaamisesta ja luopukaamme myös aavistuksen vainoharhaisista salaliittoteoretisoinneista.

Yrittäkäämme edes suhtautua kunnioittavasti niihin, joiden käsitys poikkeaa omastamme ja kuunnelkaamme tarkasti, mitä toisella osapuolella on sanottavanaan. Koska oli ihmisen aiheuttama maapallon lämpeneminen totta tai ei, pitäisi meidän kaikkien joka tapauksessa pystyä täällä yhdessä elelemään.

Rauhallista joulua kaikille ja antoisaa keskustelun jatkoa vuonna 2010.

-Kadunmies

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